Jayati Chakrabarti: India

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Jayati Chakrabarti: India

Postby jay_3d » 24 Feb 2008, 18:21

2/28/2008

Hello Everyone,

I am joining this challenge for the first time. Looks like it would be a pretty thrilling experience. I don’t know whether I am eligible for the awards, but the real thrill lies in the scope of learning a lot of things in the process through an interaction with many veteran senior members. So I am here to experience that. And I would be happy to see the deserving person achieving the award.

Ok, let’s come to the point. Here is my concept:

I am planning of a scene where the ancient time would be depicted through an important event of the prehistoric age. This would be some kind of abstract art. The scene goes something like this:

Environment: A desert, sun is almost down near the horizon though it is not the sunset yet. A mystic yellow-orange light spreads all over the scene. An obelisk is standing firm at a distance, the shadow of which travels a long way almost up to the camera.

Characters: A mammoth with two gigantic tusks is approaching toward the camera; it is preferably a wooly mammoth. A primitive human of ancient age, or in other words a caveman, is also approaching in the same direction, but a few steps ahead of the mammoth. The mammoth is shackled to its tusks with a pair of very thick and heavy chains the other ends of which are held by the human within the firm grip of his right hand. And in his left hand he is holding an ancient weapon—some kind of primitive hammer.

Theme: Technically speaking it is not possible to bring the obelisk, mammoth, chain, and hammer under the same time frame. Chain is an invention of modern age, and obelisks never existed when mammoths and cavemen used to ramble in the earth. Still I am showing them here in the same scene since it is an abstract representation of an ancient theme, the mammoth, the human, the sun near the horizon, the obelisk and its shadow are all acting as symbolic representations. For example, we all know that the entire species of mammoths were lost millions of years ago while humans survived and had gone through radical evolutionary stages. In this scene it is symbolically shown that the human had succeeded to tame the world of other species and ruled over the world since an ancient time—that’s why he is holding the mammoth, the representative of other ancient gigantic species. The weapon in his hand represents the technology which man has started innovating since ancient days when he first learned to lit fire. No other species could upgrade themselves up to this level of intelligence. The obelisk represents eternal time, since it is thought that in Egyptian era the obelisks were used to measure time—much like sun dials. The shadow of the obelisk is covering a long way pointing at the characters of the scene close to the camera also represents the long traversed time since ancient days when animals like mammoths and cavemen used to exist in the earth. The sun is also a part of this temporal representation.

Here are the links from where I collected some concepts about the look of an ancient mammoth:

http://prehistoricsillustrated.com/pg_mammoth_02.html

http://www.no-pest.com/WoollyMammoth.htm

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/images/mastodon__mammoth.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_NPB3cSpwNKs/Rm1 ... s1600-h/PH
2007061001178.jpg

And these links are for info on the looks of an ancient caveman:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... hal_2D.jpg

http://www.edwardfrench.com/Scannedpix/ ... aveman.jpg

http://www.evolendorig13.narod.ru/HomDman.jpg

http://lithiccastinglab.com/gallery-pag ... gpage1.htm

I am not very good in sketching. I have tried my best to represent the concept of the scene I am going to make in 3D. So please don’t go for the funny look of the caveman …. Lol :oops: . I know he looks horrible in the sketch. But I hope I would satisfy you all in the 3d model of that character. Here is my sketch:
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Postby jay_3d » 24 Feb 2008, 18:33

Comments and suggestions are invited.
View my WIP thread on "ancient time" 3d challenge http://www.cgarena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4403
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Postby subdivmaniac » 24 Feb 2008, 18:58

Cool concept dude!
Welcome and good luck on the challenge! :)
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Postby HARSH » 25 Feb 2008, 02:41

good one,

i like your concept, lets see how it looks in final image

good luck
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Postby ashras99 » 25 Feb 2008, 02:47

The concept is really good and the best part is you have done your research before starting the theme, which is very necessary when creating any artwork. Hope we all able to learn from each other during the creation of this image.
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Postby jay_3d » 25 Feb 2008, 04:45

Thanks to subdivmaniac, harsh and ashras99 for your warm appreciation. I would start working on the models from today. I have never modeled a mammoth in 3d before this. So I am giving it a shot for the first time and hope I would come up with something by today or tomorrow evening. Oh, btw, forgot to mention that I am going to model it in 3D studio max 8.0.
View my WIP thread on "ancient time" 3d challenge http://www.cgarena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4403
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Postby eternalfiresong » 25 Feb 2008, 05:53

Your concept seems very well thought out. I can't wait to see your lighting on this scene, I'm sure that golden glow you spoke of will be wonderful. I don't think that the anachronisms will throw anyone off, as the scene itself is a work of art and the concept fits together very nicely. Happy modeling!
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Postby mat » 25 Feb 2008, 08:23

Hi jay_3d and welcome aboard!
That's a very nice concept and great sketch, not so original I affraid! In case you haven't noticed, which I doubt it, there is another thread dealing with exact same character type and theme!
I guess it's quite allright to do that, as there are no mentions about this in the regulations, and the site adminstrator seem to be ok with this also, so I wish you welcome and look forward to see your progress!
But, next time, as an aspiring 3d artist, try to rely on your "own" original Ideas and concepts, and instead of borrowing others', try to visualize your own imagination and fantasy!

Good luck and keep up!
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Postby ashras99 » 25 Feb 2008, 08:33

mat can you mention that thread link with same concept. May be i missed that thread (probably not) or forget about that in so many concepts and queries. Thanks for bringing this matter.. and if concept is same then not allowed may be mentioned in rules or not because this user will loose points on concept basis and no use of that.
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Postby mat » 25 Feb 2008, 09:07

Morning ashras!
I was simply refering to my own thread,
http://forum.cgarena.com/viewtopic.php?t=4371

As a matter of fact, I'm ok with Jay, and I think he could continue, if that's
ok with you and judges!
Peace!

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Postby ashras99 » 25 Feb 2008, 09:15

I think he can continue because in your thread several persons are encountered with mammoth and lots of mammoth in the background. And in this only one person dragging with chain one mammoth. So, quite difference in the nature of the mammoth and scene. And you are ok with this too. Thanks for clearing this.
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Postby mat » 25 Feb 2008, 09:19

Yes ashras, no problem!
The more challengers, the merrier!

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Postby jay_3d » 25 Feb 2008, 10:23

Hello mat and ashras99, first of all, as my avatar shows, i am not a "he", rather I am a "she" :) . Anyways, I did not notice mat's concept before this. I could understand that due to the presence of a mammoth and primitive man in the scene he thought it is borrowed from his idea, even though the theme is different. Although mat said he has no problem regarding this concept, but I do have. I don't think I should continue with any such concept regarding which the question of originality could be raised. But mat I would just request you to ask somebody before stamping his or her works to be "borrowed" because this one was really a hard toiled concept of mine and I really never saw your post before. Thanks for everyone's heartwarming appreciation. But I am sorry I cannot continue with some concept that has any sort of resemblance with any other concept. So I am dropping this one.
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Postby silvaticus » 25 Feb 2008, 10:44

Perhaps people are overreacting a little bit over certain issues. Like the resemblances between artist`s works and the religious conotations.
I don`t think that just because the same subject appears in two posts the one who got here the second should be disqualified or loose "originality"points. It depends on how many similarities there are, of course, but from having the same animal, culture, idea or whatever displayed to judge it as "borrowed" it`s a long way.
Besides, it`s possible that the author it`s simply not aware of the other guy`s work.

It`s nice that mat said it`s okay after all and I think that jay_3D should go along with her concept.
I would see similarities more like a challenge inside the challenge rather than an attempt to steal or borrow a concept.
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Postby shero » 25 Feb 2008, 10:51

welcome Jay 3d .. as I see your and mat's concept are similar and we will see how it will go between you both ;-) I wish you both all the best and hope you can be helping each other by ideas and the way of making the concept of course if you use the same program ;-)


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